Spirit Tech For Deep Consciousness | Simeone Scaramozzino
In a profound conversation on the MAGICademy Podcast, Simeone shares his exploration of human consciousness through immersive technologies and plant medicine. His journey reveals powerful insights about transformation, transcendence, and a new paradigm of inner leadership rooted in empathy and deep connection.
Personal Awakening: A Near-Death Experience Transforms Consciousness
Simeone's journey into exploring human consciousness began dramatically 20 years ago with a life-altering car crash and near-death experience. "It opened a window into a dimension of me I had never explored before," he explains. While this was the fourth significant life-altering experience he had encountered (with earlier ones at two and a half months, eight years, and seventeen years of age), the car crash marked the most profound threshold in his life.
What others perceived as a traumatic event, Simeone describes as "the most dramatic for the people outside of my sphere, and the most blissful experience for me." This paradox speaks to the transformative nature of his experience—what appeared as tragedy from the outside was internally experienced as an awakening.
Following this near-death experience, Simeone found himself physically resembling the corporate executive he had been before, but internally transformed. "My inner world was changed. Something was looking, perceiving, interacting with reality from a different place," he reflects. This shift moved his perception beyond the visual-dominated experience (which he notes accounts for about 75% of typical human perception) to what he describes as "a synesthetic view, an all-encompassing view" that engaged his entire being. This transformation was so profound that others noticed the change when interacting with him, sensing they were encountering a new version of the person they had known.
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MAGICademy Podcast (00:00)
10pm was, gosh, we're all going home early tonight. Right? Or moments when you see somebody early in the morning and they're brugging about the fact that they stayed there the entire night without sleeping. So this kind of culture is clashing with the culture of clay, like letting go of...
seriousness right and become malleable active resilient and open right with the chest the chakra right your heart chakra very open to become receptive to the real version of you that knows how to play and knows how to play also when you are in a meeting when you have to make a decision transcending is
to let go of things that do not serve a higher and highest purpose. can transcend views of reality. You can transcend ideas. You can transcend your own perspective of the self to embody a new you. For the global consciousness to embody herself.
in a new representation of humanity. So transcendence is really truly shedding, is activating the power of letting go.
MAGICademy Podcast (01:47)
Welcome to MAGICademy podcast. Today our guest is Simeone. He is a leader and innovator and designer in the space integrating neuroscience, neuroarts virtual reality design, plant medicine, magic of great nature, mother earth integrate everything together forming a transformative and transcending
space, whether it's in person or online.
So just envision someone who is at a state where maybe there's a lot of prohibiting or limiting self belief. We call it point eight and then transform into going through this whole experience and space going into a transformed, a transcendent space. call it space B. So this conversation we are to explore
What does that mean about a transformative or transcending experience? What does that have an impact? How does that impact our ego? Believe it not, everybody has an ego, whether we want it to admit or not. So it can be a healthy thing to have an ego. So how do we transform beyond our ego and build this bigger connections between ourselves and the bigger
universe, everything that's human, non-human, earth and non-earth and how that experience really helped us to expand our healthy ego, expand our healthy identity, develop a multi-layers of our identity and become a more wholesome, more empathetic person. As a result, a leader within ourselves and people around us. It's a very dense conversation. However,
please listen to it because there's a lot to unpack and you'll have deep resonance with a few things that we discussed there.
You ready? Let's dive in.
Simeone (03:54)
Thank you, thank you, Jani, thank you for having me. It's such a privilege and an honour to be here today and with all of you. So, before we even get started, to seal this moment together, I'd like to invite you to take one inhalation and exhalation together, one breath to seal the moment. So, if you can, if you all can.
just take a very comfortable position, your tailbone well situated, well grounded, your spine erect.
your chin tucked a bit, your shoulders, both shoulders distance from your neck. Bring your scapula together to open your chest. Let your hands being on your thighs, relaxed. Let's close our eyes.
Let's take one big and juicy inhalation.
and a nice and relaxing exhalation either from the nose or from the mouth.
Now let's open our eyes.
regulate to our surroundings, to the colours, to the beauty.
Let's stretch a little before we get started.
And here we are again namaste everyone.
Jiani (05:16)
Thank you Simeone for sealing a beginning of conversation for us.
Simeone (05:18)
Thank you, Jenny.
Jiani (05:23)
People may be wondering if you were to introduce yourself in 30 seconds or so in a very unique way, how would you introduce yourself? What is your story?
Simeone (05:36)
Well, in a very unique way
I'll go saying that I create experiences in which people can reconnect with their shaman within, find agency and sovereignty for their own transformation. That's the shortest I can go.
Jiani (05:56)
I love that. Wouldn't that be a reality everybody would want to experience?
Simeone (06:11)
Yeah, we all have it. It's just that it is filtered through so many limiting beliefs and ideas that through a system of reward and punishment, we've been exposed to ever since we came into this bodily form. We believed that to be true and we just went with them.
And so in the, for instance, in the Nahuatl tradition of the Mesoamerican civilization, they believe that we all live in a dream, an individual dream and also a collective dream that is inspired by certain beliefs that oftentimes are very good, excellent, but when they are not, they are like parasites. They call them Mykthotlis.
that they eat you up and they change your perception of reality and they sprinkle it with limiting beliefs and assumptions about yourself and often times you go on your entire life without wondering, without taking a break from yourself. And so the type of work I do is to create that healthy pause from who you think you are.
Now, Krishnamurti.
Jiani (07:37)
to unveil
those limiting beliefs and connecting you to your essence, like the core of your true being rather than a byproduct of the conditionings that's happening.
Simeone (07:48)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. A conditioning that is inevitable and oftentimes you find a very strident, a very resistive perspective on reality where we need to fight against certain things. I have a view that is more conducive. You know, we, by simply becoming aware of all these limiting beliefs and layers and veils that are distancing us from...
the version of us that is more connected, more connected with nature, with your nature, with yourself, with the collective and not separated by an illusion. By only being aware of that, your journey of transformation has already started. The moment you intentionally commit to the journey of discovery. It's a beautiful journey of discovery.
Apparently we are here in this physical representation of the spirit to go through the whole range of emotions learn to master all the emotions whether we consider them good or bad and just toss the ones that are no longer serving our highest purpose and choose the embodiment of what vibrates
with our hearts choose to be the frequency, vibrational copy of our idea coming from our heart. So I first create an idea of myself that comes from my heart and then I match that idea frequency and I mean idea in the least intellectual manner.
I mean the idea that comes from the visceral feeling of who you are, that comes from your interception, thought, from your connection, deep connection with your sensations, with all of your emotions.
Jiani (10:05)
So it's a very whole bodied experience and not even just yourself, it's actually a collective. So it's opening yourself to the bigger picture.
Simeone (10:15)
a holistic view where there's not much of a separation. We hear a lot of, again, the mind, the body, they're interesting categories. However, we are unity and we are connected to a source that does not know of separation. It's only to experience certain experiences in human body that we
begin to believe in the idea of a separation.
Jiani (10:47)
If we were to ask you what got you started on this path, on this exploration, exploring the plant medicine and the technology such as metaverse immersive technologies, what is the initial story of this hero's journey?
Simeone (11:18)
Wow, wow, wow. I like the question and it started 19 years ago with a car crash and a near -death experience that opened a window into a dimension of me I had never explored before. And so reintegrating or integrating that experience...
at this level of density that we call life in a human body well many new suggestions many new messages were coming to me from the universe the source something that we feel often disconnected with maybe sometimes we get closer to that in our lucid dreaming right and so I began to see reality in a different fashion
But just as importantly, I observed that people were looking at me in a different way, especially when they were interacting with a new version of me. I used to be an executive working in the corporate world. And so when people found me in the post car crash and near death experience, they were probably interacting.
with a physical representation in me that was very akin to what I looked like before the car crash and the experience, but my inner world was changed. Something was looking, perceiving, interacting with reality from a different place. And definitely not only from the brain, but...
most likely from a whole body, whole hearted point of view of sort. They're not like, but yeah, a point of view that is not only dictated by the 75 % of perception coming from the eyes, but mostly coming from, well, a synesthetic view, one can say, an all -encompassing view, yeah.
Jiani (13:30)
all encompassing, like a whole holistic perspective.
I may feel like I wanted to ask you a question about near -death experiences, but I feel like the podcast will be focusing on your work, but still I'm so curious. And there's a lot of other podcasts that talks about near -death experiences, and people share that. And...
Simeone (13:39)
Yeah, you can ask David.
I'm going to go.
Jiani (13:58)
our focus will be more on like kind of human development but still I'm very curious of what was that like?
Simeone (14:08)
It's an experience where all the things that, you know, we say same music, different DJs, right? When we say that different traditions, religions, cosmologies, they all try and point us in the same direction. There is a place where we're all united, right? There's a place where your life exists beyond your physical force.
So that is what I have experienced. Life beyond physical form. I've experienced unity and lack of separation. I've experienced being everything without having to even try and do anything to be all that. An experience that the brain or the default mode network that is responsible for the definition of the self.
you might call it the ego, finds it, my god, what is happening here?
Jiani (15:10)
Hahaha
That's beautiful. And thank you for sharing that. It's a uncommon and rare and special experience. And I bet there's a lot of things you have to work through to be able to share that experience in such a calm and simple, even joyful manner. So thank you. I appreciate.
you sharing this experience.
And my follow up question is...
about the work that you're doing, which we will share with our audience. And I just use what you work on is there's a lot of images and very beautiful and holistic and metaphysical environment. Were you trying to replicate what you've experienced in that special moment through the
arts and music and images to help people experience that or you're coming from a different perspective.
Simeone (16:39)
I come from the former. I'm truly happy and ecstatic but also grateful of the opportunity to share a fragment of the depth of the experiences that I was able to live with through
a form of art and creativity that is meant to create a sort of brain entrainment by using light and sound to elicit states of consciousness where we can open up to the mystery of being who we are. So in the art I create, I try and show people that they can embody a journey.
a hero's journey into their own emotions, into their own shadows. And instead of bypassing them, instead of only looking at what we call in this reality, positive, there is a positivity also in the full spectrum of our experiences. So yes, through the colors, through the sounds, through the different frequencies that I embed.
into the immersive experiences I create, whether in the real or in the virtual world. We can talk about that, what is simulation anyway. So by embedding all that, I aim at creating states of consciousness where people can relax into the idea of being more than they think they are on a daily basis. So for instance,
in the journey I created for the temple experiences of Burning Man in 2021, I imagined a person, an avatar, and boarding a new identity or an identity and going into a journey into a temple where the temple is the metaphor of the body. So...
go into your body and befriend what? Your energetic points that are responsible for your perception of reality because they too are attached through the plexuses to your organs. And so I imagined a journey into the chakras. So the person gets in the temple and finds the chakras. Each chakra comes with its own
sound, frequency, colour, also personality because the sounds that are embedded are created with specific instruments that are meant to elicit specific states within your body at the chakra level. And so when you engage with one chakra you can meditate and open the portal into your atmosphere, your inner world.
where all your emotions are laid out there for you to sit with, to investigate but also to embrace. And so every time you sit with an emotion while you are entrained through sounds and through Icaros that are chants from the rainforest, you are brought into a state of surrendering. Surrendering to the nature of who you are.
and there you can make emotional offerings that carry that quality of the chakra that you're trying to align by doing shadow work and in this experience each emotional offering in the form of a song, a chant, a voice or a poetry of anything really even an image or a picture or a video were crystallized
into a pixel, a pixel that carried the colour and the quality, all these qualities and was progressively, meditation after meditation, going to populate a big mandala mosaic and the mandala in the Hindu and Buddhism represents the universe. So the messages
by simply being with yourself and expressing who you are, you are contributing to the creation of this big mandala mosaic, meaning you contribute to the creation of universal consciousness.
Jiani (21:37)
need to sit with that message a little bit. So we have the video. It's about one minute and 20 seconds. Do you think it's time for us to show our audience in a visual way?
Simeone (21:51)
Yeah, we could show it.
I would be happy to.
Jiani (21:56)
And before we show that, I'm trying to speak for some audience who don't particularly resonate with the idea of chakras. What are some alternative languages for them to process this visual and metaphorical experience?
Simeone (22:17)
So the chakras in modern medicine are called plexuses. So there are points in the body where there is a correspondence between, let's say, the superficial energy at the skin level and the organ that corresponds to it. For instance, your heart chakra corresponds to your thymus gland. Right? So modern medicine recognizes that the energy...
created and developed around here has an effect like your throat chakra has an effect and is also the result of your thyroid activity right so the chakras are just a very ancient way to define points in your body that keep your body energetically and physically alive.
Jiani (23:13)
I appreciate that. And also in the Eastern medicine,
Simeone (23:17)
acupuncture,
yeah,
Jiani (23:20)
that, as you were talking about it, from the kind of the Easton perspective, it's finding those...
Connectors, major connectors.
Simeone (23:33)
Yes, I actually appreciate
what you said because it's a perfect segway for the chakra. It has also a lot to do with our nervous system. Right? So what you say about acupuncture and the applying needles on specific points of intersection, right? Between where the nadis are, right? Or the different energetic points are, has a valence in terms of...
aligning or modulating our nervous system in order to create a healthy pendulation between your sympathetic and parasympathetic activity. Right? So it's, I have to thank you for this because the chakra can be also seen as a way to address your journey between different states of consciousness in which you're more aroused to act.
or you're lesser at to act and you're more prone to meditating, contemplating. Yeah.
Jiani (24:36)
And some people may resonate with meditation, some people may resonate with active meditation. If you're just riding a bicycle and for a few seconds you're like, I'm in my zone. So different people have different preferences. Beautiful.
Simeone (24:55)
Yeah, and
different states like the meditative state or the contemplative state seem to find a lot of research, but one very important point in the fact that one can say that the brain is wired for transcendence. So when we meditate or contemplate or even pray,
there's less activity in the prefrontal cortex and more activity in the parietal lobes, which is something that also makes, has a match in the experiences with plant medicine of the ancestral wisdom of the rainforest. When you are experiencing these journeys within yourself, what's been observed is that the default mode network,
in your brain that is mostly responsible for the representation of yourself. Who do you think you are is defined right there. There is, on plant medicine, because of certain molecules and the way they work and act within you, there is a remodulation of that activity and so the brain gets more activation all around. And so the reason for that is that
When these plants act within your body, they are basically binding with serotonin receptors that exist all around your brain. And in so doing, they create electric activity at a dendrite level. And so dendrite after dendrite, they create new synapses. So there is a wholesome activation.
of the brain and not only some of the substances contained within certain brews created with certain plants they also have an anti -inflammatory, anti -mycotic, anti -parasitic and neuro -genetic effect meaning they can create new neurons altogether.
Jiani (27:08)
beautiful. Let's first watch the video and then we can talk about the concept of transcending neuroplasticity and also how that potentially can apply to leadership
Simeone (28:50)
It's the journey of, the cathartic journey of going through the fire. You know, the fire has a, is a very strong symbol of transformation with the ancient, the natives, the custodians of the planet, right? When you burn something, there is a transformation happening. You're making room for the new by letting go of the past of what is considered old or what is considered...
no longer serving. So in this case I brought this metaphor and the digital fire was actually activating the different parts of the mosaic to create a cacophony, so randomly generated music symphony really, because through each activation each mosaic, part of the mosaic had a note that corresponded to each shac...
and that created an amazing cacophony and that in the metaphorised representation that universal orchestration has brought the chakras of humanity in alignment for humanity go back to reunite itself with supreme consciousness with the female nature of the source that's why you see
a female face lingering at the very end.
Jiani (30:14)
What?
Why a female? Even though I'm a female, it's happy for me to hear that. Probably my ego is talking. But why a female?
Simeone (30:25)
The plants I tend to work with have a female spirit, meaning they have a quality that is embracing, they have a quality that has a spiral, has a very holographic, all -encompassing nature. Also, the forest has a very female feature to the way she takes care of herself.
and the way the forest is also growing, if you will, on the skin of Gaia, the planet, right? The spirit of the planet. So we're really into a dimension where the feminine, the masculine truly intertwined like in a yin yang representation of the universe. And so that final nurturing face of the Pachamama, Mother Earth,
is what's most dear to all the native traditions of the world, but particularly the traditions of center, even North and South America.
Jiani (31:38)
And I think there's a reason that we saw we call nature mother nature Not father nature and I think in terms of I'm not an expert in like the energy space But I believe that no matter like gender no matter what gender you are whether you're a female leader male leader There are always some sort of energies in you that's feminine and
male and then it's kind of like a mixture so we're talking about in terms of the percentage
Simeone (32:22)
To create this and other experiences, I draw a lot of inspiration from the work I actually do in the forest in real life. And so I'm... When I create this sweat lodges in which people are invited to purify their bodies and to sweat it all out, you have the perfect unity between...
Jiani (32:33)
I want to share.
Simeone (32:49)
the motherly nature of earth and the fatherly nature of the fire. Right? The fire and the elements, they all go together, the air, you know, and the earth itself, they all...
contribute to the creation of what we call life. Here, by the way, I'm using, I mean, as you can, I was using AR technology to make measurements of what then becomes, you will see becomes later, the sweat lodge. So I take full inspiration because nature, you know, nature has a completely different view of herself than we have of her.
Jiani (33:18)
I'm sorry.
Simeone (33:36)
And so it's always welcoming, all -encompassing, self -regulating. And also nature and the relationship that the natives had with nature was so, what we would call, trauma -informed. Every time we sit with the bamboo before cutting it, we ask permission. Every time I move a stone or I do anything in...
the...
territory of mother nature I ask for permission is consent based and if she doesn't agree of sort if you are connected to the rhythm of life you'll understand you'll feel it so yes it's a female feature in a cosmology where both the father and the mother of sort
the grandmother and the grandfather, they both sit at the same table to bring the human experience through the orchestration of the four elements and in the cosmology of some Mesoamericans through the movement. You know, they considered that movement is another element that we will call it either that contributes to the creation.
of our perception of reality. Here you can see the Temascale, the sweat lodge reflects some sacred geometry according to which our life and the planet is organized. And here you can see the inside of the Temascale. And here you see some of the pieces of the altar where you see a spiral and a turtle because they all bring you into the Temascale.
representing the womb of Mother Earth in which the transformation of fire and water brings life, rejuvenation and transformation into the new human in the humanity we want to become. So in their cosmologies is truly going through different states and levels of consciousness.
represented by different elements and power animals.
Jiani (36:05)
And that actually draws our conversation back to where we left it. It's the idea of transcendence and you also use the word transform. So what is transcending? What is transforming?
And how does that impact how we lead ourselves and people around us?
Simeone (36:44)
my perspective on transcending is to let go of things that do not serve a higher and highest purpose. So you can transcend views of reality. You can transcend ideas. You can transcend your own perspective of the self.
to embody a new you for the global consciousness to embody herself in a new representation of humanity. So transcendence is really truly shedding is activating the power of letting go. And I want to make the point here because it's very important I feel.
to let go of anything, whether it is a parasitic idea or an inflammation, you need to give your body the proper resources. And so the kind of work I do as a trauma -informed facilitator is to make sure that any transcendental experience you go through happens in the safety of the body. And mostly,
The safety of the body is central in activating a profound and long -living, long -standing transformation. So transformation for me is when you transcend yourself and through the experience or experiences you are able to create a new trait of your consciousness. Something that becomes you. The...
However temporary you, that new trait is who you are wholeheartedly, authentically. So going into a transcendent experience, often times leaves the people whose nervous system is not properly regulated exactly where they started. Because they don't have the resources, the power, the inner power.
of making such experiences where you transcend yourself, you look at yourself from a different perspective, you disidentify from your idea of you, well then to integrate the fact that you are not only that but you're also that version of you takes work, takes cultivation. You need to cultivate the new idea of you.
The new heartfelt idea of you comes with work, within our work. I hope I answered your question properly.
Jiani (39:39)
Yeah, and in terms of... So I'm getting an idea of like empathy, a little bit like self -empathy is to empathize with the version of you right now and then also empathize the kind of more essence of yourself after you letting go, after you...
transcend beyond what you who you are as of now when you're talking about the work that we need to do let me let me reserve that question later and then so we're talking about this transcending so it's basically letting go and moving toward or being
closer to that essence of you that's beyond the ego that's beyond the expectations and the conditionings and what is transforming and how is transforming different to transcending.
Simeone (40:45)
Transforming is from my perspective when you integrate all such experiences in a very intentional way for you to be able to develop these new traits of who you are. Say that you're fully ingrained in an idea of you that sees you like your personality. So first,
you let go of your persona, the mask of who you are and then you open the space in full safety for a journey where you develop new traits of who you might be. So transformation is a journey. Transformation happens through the very intentional
and dedicated work. So with one you open the space and then you begin holding space for everything that leads you to become who you wish to be or who you feel that you should be in your journey. So you become your own spaceholder, the facilitator of your experience.
Because as we said, when you go into an experience like the ones of the plant medicine, where it's all about perspective taking, you see yourself as if you were the observer, right? Which we borrow from, we know the Eastern philosophies were very meticulous about this, right? So Krishnamurti said, either you're a saint or a sinner, they both are illusions. So...
When you let go of the illusion of who you think you are, then you can begin to cultivate the space for who you wish to be. And everything around you, this is another trait of transforming, becomes a messenger. So reality is no longer something you go against or you do something about it, but it's you sitting,
literally with reality by creating more white spaces into your life. Contemplative spaces, holding the space for the time that is necessary for you to feel attuned with the new version of you. Right so this process where your heart has opened then it's you becoming
the custodian of your human experience. You're not the doer of anything. Everything around you is carrying a message for you. The person you met, the boss that you don't like, the boss with whom you don't have a healthy, that's the best way to say, relationship, or anything that's not sitting well with your heart. First of all, you begin to be able to feel it.
So for instance, your powers are creator, become more evident, remarkably felt, so you can begin to act intuitively. So there's no more separation between what's logical and what isn't. You are holistically the being in custody, like...
having the full custody of your path. And so you are sovereign. You have agency. That's where transformation happens.
Jiani (44:36)
I think the message also helps us to manage the mental health like in the workplace, whether you're leading or you're being led, help people to have a healthy perspective of things that's happening and how to proactively shift perception or manage the perception and see every interaction as a data point.
And the data point is helping us to develop deeper understanding of ourselves, of people around us, and helping us to hopefully make better decisions moving forward. And it is easier said than done.
Simeone (45:29)
Of course, it is a process but looking at other people and situations as messages but also reflections of our shadows
Jiani (45:43)
reflections of our shadows.
Simeone (45:44)
it's
life -changing because you cease to be entangled with other people's emotions and you change the perspective inwards so what are my emotions trying to communicate to me through my body when I am facing such a situation it's not what did Jiani do to me how do I react to that it's
Well, what is the message? What is the message that the highest, the highest version of me is trying to bring to my attention, often time through the emotions and the sensations and the physical and otherwise sensations. That's why I feel that the activations of different senses and the connection can often times be able to ...
let us read reality through subtle messages. And subtle changes oftentimes are revolutionary changes, you know, like connecting with the things that are almost invisible, with the mysterious shadows that exist within us. Well, that type of relationship, creating that type of relationship is transformative, is revolutionary.
Jiani (47:05)
I appreciate that message. And how does that relate to the leadership? And say if a leader wanted to develop or even want to develop this transcending ability so they can lead themselves better and lead the teams better, how can we...
How does your approach help achieve that outcome?
Simeone (47:37)
The studies of the brain on either immersive technologies and or plant Medicine seems to point in a very similar direction. So VR has been defined as an empathy building technology, an empathy machine of sort, just as much as sitting with plant Medicine.
is creating a full empathy for yourself and other people, nature, objects, anything, animate or inanimate, animals. It's in the Shippibukunibu language, this is called Akinananti, right? That is akin to a Eidoumonia in Greek, that both point in the direction that our wellness can not be individual, but it has to be that of the collective, right?
So the ability to interconnect, to connect with yourself and others is one very important quality of the modern leadership. It's not about leading from here, it's about leading from here, connecting and most importantly, ensuring that the people around you are in their process of evolution. So...
empathizing is very much a quality of these new technologies that create simulations, right, for the brain to connect with a different representation of reality. You know, in 1981, Jean -Baudrillard, a philosopher, published the book
simulation and simulacra, or I think it was simulacra and simulation, saying something very important about how reality, the hyperreality that is being created through, not through the devices per se, but through a very technological approach, right, to delivery of messages, is just as important as reality, so long as
people attach a meaning and a value to that experience. So if we are capable of creating content for these devices, but the content of the new simulations, we could instill healthily into people a sense of profound connection, empathy, self -compassion.
and compassion for everything, not only the human beings, but for everything that we belong with, nature and all the other realms. There's no separation. So any modern leader.
is ultimately connected with a vision that is not ego driven and with the ability to bring that vision to fruition in a way that is creating value and transformation in the people that are co -creating the execution of that vision. That's why I think that these
technologies, whether organic or otherwise, can be a very important tool.
for humanity. So, you know, I used to help companies. Now I like to say that I help people. Because there's no separation, right? The company true can be an entity that we don't know what, very obscure, but it's mostly made of people. And so people are in charge of their own human experience.
Jiani (51:26)
are
hip hop.
and company means a group of people who see each other as companies.
Simeone (51:47)
Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.
Jiani (51:51)
That's a beautiful vision.
A lot of times we, whether consciously or unconsciously, we have this ego thing at play and even when you look at the bigger picture, the between conscious, there's a lot of things and the ego and you know things going on. So it feels like the ego is hard to get rid of.
Simeone (52:24)
Well, the ego, I feel the ego first doesn't have to be let go of completely. No, like there's a very riddling way to say it. Like to say, okay, you want to become, to be spiritual, right? And so you say, fine, let go of the ego. But then somebody asks, but who told you that you should get rid of the ego?
or you should be getting spiritual? And the answer is, maybe it's still my ego. So in other words, we are connected to a source of which we are a partition here at this level of density. Fine. The ego is keeping our embodiment, as I like to call it, our genetic spaceship.
Jiani (52:58)
The eagle.
Simeone (53:21)
whole safe right so we don't need to vilify the ego or to make it become our enemy the villain right in our story it's just getting to know the features the characteristics of our ego developing a real curiosity for
who this entity is, how it came to be, why it does behave the way it behaves. Yeah, and like, how is that our nervous system is triggered by this or that? Where is the trauma? How was the trauma created? Where, when? You know, like, I read a study, I can't remember the source at the moment, that...
Jiani (53:52)
Study the ego.
Simeone (54:12)
83 % of people in the world they all think they had an amazing childhood. Well then the question is with so many traumatised people
One might wonder...
when did the trauma happen? It's just a question, right? So we know that most of our suffering stems from the memories that we have accumulated of what we think we have experienced, right? So our memories making us suffer just as much as is not the emotion that is making us suffer.
but is a story we create around it. Right? So taking a step to befriend the ego means becoming the
concept artists, script writers, and in full definition, the ones that define when and where our stories begin and end and how, right? So we can define it, but only if we befriend, if we see ourselves holistically, right? You can't think that it's all here.
Jiani (55:24)
Journalist.
Simeone (55:37)
or it's all and only here, we are made the way we are made for a reason. So we befriend the mechanisms whereby eating certain foods can put us more into our ego -driven narcissism, for instance, or when I say eating, I also mean information, whatever we ingest, whatever comes within us.
right from the outside.
What is permeating our tissue, our skin? What is the air we breathe in? So and so and so on and so forth. What is the sound that we listen to? You know, this is the sound through which I bring healing into people's lives. Sound has a very important... very important...
You know, we are a body of water that is modulated by sound and light. So getting to know all these factors will also demystify the ego a bit and also teach us that if we have areas of our brain like the default network in charge of our ego, the limbic system in charge and the amygdala in charge of our emotions.
We know that these stories that we create often lasting between 90 seconds and 90 minutes.
might be a creation of ego. So let's sit with ego, right? When you are in a medicine experience, the first thing you feel is that you're sitting with your subconscious, with the things that are unconscious to you, right? Let's find ways to sit with that ego. Oftentimes is an infant whose needs were not met. Is a child, right, with a tantrum, goes, they could not.
be heard. They could not receive love. So that is part of our ego journey, like befriending rather than creating resistance. I don't believe in too much resistance, so to speak, and I use the word believe with tactfully, because you know, every time you try and resist in the world of polarity,
Jiani (58:06)
You get closer.
Simeone (58:06)
you have
a reaction a slingshot reaction there so let's create conductivity something that is conducive
Jiani (58:13)
It's like let's befriend our ego, invite the ego to a cup of tea. Tell me your story.
Simeone (58:19)
Yes, yes.
And a good tea, and a good tea.
Jiani (58:25)
A good tea,
yeah, yeah, it's definitely good. Yes, we'll give you a good tea. That's beautiful. We can go on and on and on and on and on. Sounds like it.
Simeone (58:33)
Sounds like it.
Jiani (58:44)
And we talked about that, like, child -like. And there's two concepts. One is a child that is needy in a very objective way, like needs are not being met. And there are...
is a child that is full of vibrant energies and wanted to play and wanted to create wanted to help when we are talking about like this childlike wonder what role do you think that play in in adulthood especially when you're leading yourself or you're leading a team
or you're creating a culture of that group of people, that company, what's, how are they related? Like what role does that childlike wonder play?
Simeone (59:37)
Well,
there's a very interesting study by Brene Brown in a study on shame that says that play accounts for most of our ability to make wholehearted choices. But I have a very short video to make my point here. I'm going to show it. I'm going to show it here. It's a video that is truly telling all the things I've always wanted to say in a very...
beautiful, innocent manner.
There you go. So she's there, ready to play soccer and you know she goes, I don't know, I'm not sure I'm feeling it. So that is such an incredible gift. You know, the gift of innocence.
Jiani (1:00:09)
Hahaha
Hahaha
Simeone (1:00:29)
severing any attachment to any preconceived idea. So she was there, supposed to be playing soccer. She goes, she plays, she feels it, she feels into it. At least that's what I like to see. I was seeing and watching. Now she goes, and then she goes, no, I don't feel it. And it's not like she was lazy. She went into a completely different articulation of her experience. So that's why I think play is important.
Jiani (1:00:40)
She's making an effort.
Simeone (1:00:57)
because play can also show you seriously, seriously, when you have been too attached to an idea, a platform, a paradigm, you know, too much attached to the idea of yourself. And so how hard is it to let go of it, to become vulnerable, right? To open up.
So because playing is all about that, is just letting go, being funny, being weird, right? No one wants to be weird, right? I came from experiences in my life before the coma, the car crash, where leaving your post, leaving your job, leaving your seat, your office,
10 p was, my gosh, we're all going home early tonight. Right? Or moments when you see somebody early in the morning and they're bragging about the fact that they stayed there the entire night without sleeping. So this kind of culture is clashing with the culture of playing, like letting go.
Jiani (1:01:55)
Hahaha
Simeone (1:02:19)
of the seriousness right and become malleable, adaptive, resilient and open right with the chest the chakra right your heart chakra very open to become receptive
the real version of you that knows how to play and knows how to play also when you are in a meeting when you have to make a decision.
So playing for me means, amongst other things, the ability to be like, to being like that child, to let go when you have to let go.
Jiani (1:03:02)
Welcome.
lot of message right
Simeone (1:03:14)
Aho to plain. You know a HO is a very beautiful expression that we use to say I agree. To say I'm with it. I feel in alignment. Right? Also akin to Amen.
It was used by the natives of Oklahoma. And then it became something very widespread in the medicine spiritual world. So you see how many things we inherit. Right? Yes.
Jiani (1:03:49)
Interconnect.
It's beautiful.
It can't go on and on and on and...
Simeone (1:03:56)
Yeah.
Jiani (1:03:58)
I'll just take a pause here for this time and we will come to the magic part of the conversation. Before that, I'll give a brief recap. I will try to give a brief recap of what we talked about. I'm brave. We talked about the story of Simeone and...
Simeone (1:04:17)
Wow, you're brave. You're brave.
Jiani (1:04:28)
and how this whole exploration of plant medicine and technologies all started. It started from a near death, a brief mythical experience. And then we transitioned to talk about the stories, the design. We went through this...
visual journey of coming into a lotus temple and going through the chakras and then going through the lotus with people talking and coming back to aligned chakras and human and mother nature. And that brings us to the conversation about the
transcending experiences where we're able to developing deep, deep empathy, not only for.
other people but also for you and different versions of you and different stages and different parts and different dimensions or perspectives of you and we also talked about how transcending is different to transforming where transforming is more focused on the process so if you're going through a transcending experience you're going through different milestones of transforming to reach that.
particular outcome. also explored how that can empower leadership and the leaderships within ourselves, the leaderships within the team, the leaderships within the bigger context of a company and how
when we have that ability to transcend and letting go of that preconceptions and being naively, in a good way, open to different perspectives or to the world as it is, the radical naivety and the radical transparency and radical objectivity will help us open up new opportunities to
bring in deeper connections among, within ourselves and among everybody that we work with or we impact directly or indirectly. We also talked about the idea of true playfulness in terms of, in the context of like, should we, you know,
letting go and dissolve the ego or should we be friend of the ego and how can the childlike wonder actually help us do everything that we talked about much much better in a very fluid and resistant free or minimal resistant manner.
I hope I summarize it okay. Perfect. So magic. So when you were when Simeone before you run all the companies are working till like working till 10pm and then building.
Simeone (1:07:28)
Wow! I'm impressed! I am impressed!
Jiani (1:07:44)
Transcending experiences, when you were back at 11 years old or 16 years old, what did you enjoy creating or playing so much that time just disappeared?
Simeone (1:08:04)
Well, at six, I was a young performer.
Jiani (1:08:07)
Cool.
Simeone (1:08:14)
performing before large audiences and speaking, dancing and playing local songs like almost native native traditional songs and chants from the south of Italy.
Jiani (1:08:33)
south of Italy.
Simeone (1:08:33)
And
together with that, I was also playing tennis and running endurance competitions.
So that developed in a similar fashion until I was 15. So it stayed with me alongside other passions. It stayed with me.
My sister and I started the company when we were eight, but that's another story. That's another conversation for us.
Jiani (1:09:05)
See? We need another conversation.
It's
beautiful. Were there any particular challenges that you had to overcome that helped to shape who you are? Is that near -death experience the major challenge that shaped who you are? Or were there any other challenges?
Simeone (1:09:30)
I think that that was the fourth experience where let's say my life was trying to go in a different direction than expected. I started my experience with the other worlds and dimensions when I was two and a half months and then when I was eight.
Jiani (1:09:54)
Two and a half.
Simeone (1:09:57)
and then when I was 17, but we won't go there because this is another podcast altogether. But yes, these were moments that of course have shaped who my own perception of reality as a young person, but along the way, frankly speaking, in the, let's say in the latest part of my life,
Probably the, yes, the big threshold between before and after is the car crash because the car crash came as a big message for me only in hindsight now I know it was a message it was a self -sent
message.
Jiani (1:10:48)
self -sent message.
Simeone (1:10:50)
Yes,
so that was the most dramatic for the people outside of my sphere and the most blissful experience for me.
Jiani (1:11:02)
Thank you for sharing.
So, even though I don't want to conclude the conversation,
What do you think is overall your magic?
Simeone (1:11:22)
truly it is holding space for people to find their magic. I strongly, even my words cannot express how strongly I feel that, and I'm going to borrow something you said a minute ago, the radical objectivity of our experience is that we are divine beings.
We just need to remember. And so it is truly my own honor and it's part of my journey of healing myself, that of holding space for other people to find their divinity within their magic.
Jiani (1:12:10)
let's conclude here
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Simeone (1:12:50)
Thank you, Jiani for holding space so graciously and also for having an incredible memory. I'm still thinking how you did it. I'm still thinking. Thank you.
Jiani (1:13:03)
I'm in visuals.
Simeone (1:13:07)
I love that, I love that, I love that. People suffering from aphantasia will be very jealous. It's a condition where you cannot picture, you cannot visualize things in your brain.
Jiani (1:13:21)
So they would try to remember through words, memories. That's challenging.
Simeone (1:13:21)
Bye.
yeah yeah other senses will be
enhanced to compensate for that specific quality you know it's it's we all have qualities again so longer we all have the magic yes
Jiani (1:13:39)
magic.
I
dream of a world where everyone, no matter who you are, where you are, how long you've been on this planet, are able to befriend with their magic and befriend with their ego and just be able to...
Simeone (1:13:58)
Yes, yes.
Yes, yes.
Jiani (1:14:07)
with that knowledge, with that.
connection, able to do things for the betterment of the planet and maybe interplanet because we have Mars now.
Simeone (1:14:18)
Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, oftentimes, oftentimes, only the self imposed limitation of not going deep into what this magic box of the self is, separates us from that beautiful version where we are everything, right?
So yes, I think yours is a very beautiful wish.
Jiani (1:14:46)
and full of magical leaders. We need more leaders.
Simeone (1:14:49)
Yes, yes, we all like, we
all need to lead ourselves, meaning from my perspective, again, leading means being able to connect.
Jiani (1:15:03)
Let's leave our audience with that.
Simeone (1:15:05)
Yes,
I like that.
Jiani (1:15:09)
Thank you Simeone
Simeone (1:15:10)
Thank you, Jiani.
Befriending & Transcending the Ego: A Process of Letting Go
Rather than advocating for eliminating the ego, Simeone proposes a different approach: befriending it. "We don't need to vilify the ego, or to make it become our enemy, the villain in our story," he explains. "It's just getting to know the features, the characteristics of our ego, developing a real curiosity for who this entity is, how it came to be, why it behaves the way it does."
This perspective shifts the relationship from adversarial to investigative.
“Befriending the ego means becoming the concept artists, script writers, and in full definition, the ones that define when and where our stories begin and end and how.”
This approach acknowledges the ego's role in keeping our "genetic spaceship whole" while developing awareness of its limiting mechanisms.
The process of transcendence, as Simeone defines it, is "to let go of things that do not serve a higher and highest purpose." It involves shedding perspectives and identities that no longer serve us: "You can transcend views of reality. You can transcend ideas. You can transcend your perspective of the self to embody a new you, for the global consciousness to embody herself in a new representation of humanity."
In the Mesoamerican Nahuatl language, Simeone explains that we all live in individual and collective dreams inspired by beliefs. While many beliefs serve us well, others act as parasites—what they call mitote—that “eat you up and they change your perception of reality and they sprinkle it with limiting beliefs and assumptions about yourself.”
Transcendence involves becoming aware of these limiting beliefs and the “layers and veils that are distancing us from reality.”
We are hardwired for transcendence—the capacity to move beyond the self is an integral aspect of human neurobiology, says Dr. Andrew Newberg, a prominent neuroscientist and pioneer in the field of neurotheology. His work suggests that spiritual experiences are not abstract anomalies but are deeply rooted in the architecture of the brain.
In this light, personal and business decisions are often laced with emotionality. When we grant ourselves permission to transcend self-imposed limitations and rediscover the ancient art of sitting with our emotions, we begin to reattune to the deeper overtones of our creative power. When we let go of who we think we are, we can begin to remember we are the artists of our existence, and it is through the inner journey that we come to recognise the truth of who we are.
As such, experiencing transcendence becomes a way of being…
Immersive Experiences & The Role of Play: Creating Journeys of Consciousness
Simeone channels his transformative insights into creating immersive experiences both in-person and through XR to help others access similar states of consciousness. Through his art, he explains, "I try and show people that they can embody a journey. A hero's journey into their own emotions, into their shadows."
The role of play emerges as central to this process. Citing Brené Brown's research on shame,
“Play accounts for most of our ability to make wholehearted choices.”
Play represents letting go of attachment to ideas and embracing vulnerability. It allows people to become "malleable, adaptive, resilient, and open" with "the heart chakra very open to become receptive to the real version of you that knows how to play."
For Burning Man's Temple Experiences in 2021, he created a journey where participants entered a temple—metaphorically representing the human body—and encountered chakras, each with its sound frequency, color, and personality. "Each chakra comes with its sound, frequency, color, and personality. Each sound embedded is created with specific instruments that are meant to elicit specific states within your body at the chakra level," he describes.
These experiences incorporate elements from indigenous traditions, utilizing icaros — Peruvian Shamanic chants from the rainforest — to guide participants into states of surrender, where they can embrace their true nature. The journey culminates in participants making "emotional offerings" that crystallize into pixels forming a mandala mosaic, symbolizing how individual expression contributes to universal consciousness.
Simeone explains that both virtual reality and plant medicine experiences can be viewed as "empathy-building technology," creating states where people develop deeper connections with themselves and others. Studies show that these experiences modulate brain activity, particularly in the default mode network (DMN) responsible for self-representation, potentially creating new neural pathways.
Empathy as Leadership: Connecting Beyond the Ego
Akinananti is a Shipibo word from the Indigenous peoples of the Peruvian Amazon that describes a way of working and living together characterized by love, joy, reciprocity, and collective benefit rather than selfish aims. It embodies principles of interconnectedness, mutual aid, and the understanding that individual well-being is inextricably linked to the well-being of the community and the environment.
This expanded consciousness naturally transforms approaches to leadership.
“Any modern leader is ultimately connected with a vision that is not ego-driven and with the ability to bring that vision to fruition in a way that creates value and transformation in the people who are co-creating the execution of that vision.”
The immersive technologies Simeone works with intend to foster this connection by developing deep empathy. "VR has been defined as an empathy-building technology, an empathy machine of sorts. Just as much as sitting with plant medicine is creating a full empathy for yourself and other people, nature, objects, anything, animate or inanimate, animals," he notes.
This empathic capacity leads to an understanding that "our wellness cannot be individual, but it has to be that of the collective." The ability to interconnect with oneself and others becomes "a very important quality of modern leadership."
Simeone frames his work not as helping companies but helping people: "The company, true, can be an entity that we don't know what, very obscure, but it's mostly made of people." This perspective breaks down artificial separations between individuals and organizations, seeing both as interconnected aspects of a whole.
When leaders develop this empathic perspective, they also gain a more profound relationship with challenges. Instead of reacting against difficult people or situations, they learn to see "every interaction as a data point" that develops "a deeper understanding of ourselves, of people around us." This shifts focus from external blame to internal growth: "What are my emotions trying to communicate to me, through my body, when I am facing such a situation? …What is the message?"
Creating Safe Spaces: Facilitating Transformation
Simeone emphasizes that transcendence must occur within safe containers for lasting transformation. "To let go of anything, whether it is a parasitic idea or an inflammation, you need to give your body the proper resources," he explains. "The kind of work I do as a trauma-informed facilitator is to make sure that any transcendental experience you go through happens in the safety of the body."
This safety allows transcendent experiences to become integrated as traits rather than temporary states.
“Transformation for me is when you transcend yourself and, through the experience or experiences, you can create a new trait of your consciousness. Something that becomes you.”
Whether creating sweat lodges in forests or digital temples, Simeone draws inspiration from indigenous traditions that approach nature with reverence and consent. "Every time we sit with the bamboo before cutting it, we ask permission. Every time I move a stone, or I do anything in the forest, territory of Mother Nature, I ask for permission," he explains. This "trauma-informed" approach honors the interconnectedness of all things.
The safe spaces Simeone creates—both physical and virtual—allow participants to "relax into the idea of being more than they think they are daily." Through carefully designed sounds, colors, and frequencies, these experiences guide people into states where they can access deeper aspects of themselves.
For lasting transformation, Simeone emphasizes that integration through intentional practice is essential: "One, you open the space, and then you begin holding space for everything that leads you to become who you wish to be." This involves creating "white spaces" in life, contemplative moments where one can attune to newfound ways of being.
Ultimately, Simeone sees his purpose as "holding space for people to find their magic." His work embodies the belief that "we are divine beings. We just need to remember." Through immersive technologies and ancient practices, he creates environments where people can reconnect with their essential nature beyond limiting beliefs and discover their innate capacity for transformation, leadership, and connection.
Conclusion
The bridging of ancient wisdom with modern technology opens remarkable possibilities for personal and collective transformation. Transcendence isn't about escaping reality but embracing it more fully—seeing messages in challenges, befriending parts of ourselves we once rejected, and creating safe spaces for authentic growth.
As we navigate increasingly complex personal and professional landscapes, this integrative approach reminds us that true leadership begins with inner work: developing empathy for ourselves and others, cultivating childlike wonder, and recognizing our interconnectedness.
Through this lens, technology becomes not merely a tool for productivity but a gateway to expanded consciousness, helping us remember our inherent capacity for magic, connection, and wholehearted living. The immersive experiences created through both immersive technology and plant medicines offer pathways to rediscover our essential nature beyond limiting beliefs, potentially transforming how we lead, connect, and contribute to our collective evolution.
Editor’s note:
Chakra has been a common term in healing arts, especially in the East. Some studies (Malimas et al., 2023; Manik, 2023) have equated chakra with plexus, or the Nervous System in our body.
Researchers (Carhart-Harris et al, 2012; Lebedev et al., 2015; Palhano-Fontes et al., 2015; Coleman et al., 2025) studying psychedelic drugs like psilocybin, LSD, and Ayahuasca have found that these substances don’t just make the brain more active- they quiet down important control centers, especially in areas that manage our sense of self and routine thinking, such as the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC) and the Default Mode Network (DMN).
When people take these psychedelics, the connections between these brain regions and others involved in emotions and information processing become stronger or more flexible, while the usual activity and tight connections within self-focused areas like the DMN decrease. These changes are linked to stronger emotions, deeper introspection, and a feeling called “ego dissolution,” where the normal sense of self fades away. Overall, psychedelics seem to relax the brain’s normal filters and allow different parts of the brain to communicate more freely, which helps explain why people experience new perspectives, creativity, and relief from rigid thought patterns during a psychedelic experience, similar to what happens during meditation or dreaming.
It should be noted that meditation typically involves gradual mental training affecting various aspects of self-experience, while psychedelics induce rapid changes primarily through serotonin receptor activity. Although both can produce lasting changes in personality and behavior, temporary states of self-loss do not necessarily translate into long-term selflessness or prosocial traits. Understanding self-consciousness as a complex, multidimensional construct helps clarify the similarities and differences between these altered states.
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⭐ Simeone’s MAGIC
Simeone's magic is his ability to hold transformative space where people can reconnect with their inner divinity and authentic power. By uniquely blending cutting-edge immersive technologies with ancient plant medicine wisdom and sacred practices, he creates profound experiences that help individuals transcend limiting beliefs, befriend their shadows, and remember their inherent magic. His gift lies in designing both virtual temple journeys and real-world ceremonies that facilitate safe, deep transformation, guiding people from ego-driven separation to heart-centered connection with themselves, others, and the natural world. As he puts it, his magic is simply "holding space for people to find their magic."
Connect with Simeone
Simeone Scaramozzino is a global immersive medicine specialist known for blending ancient healing practices with advanced technology to support mental and emotional well-being. As the creator of “Metadelics,” he designs multisensory spaces that harmonize mind, body, and spirit, drawing on both biosensing tech and plant medicine. Simeone’s work empowers people to connect with their inner healer and the wisdom of nature, making him a leading voice in experiential medicine and the evolution of consciousness.
Totems of HOPE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnsk6yq2vIU
Credits & Revisions:
Guest Reviewer: Simeone Scaramozzino
Story Writer/Editor: Dr. Jiani Wu
AI Partner: Perplexity, Claude
Initial Publication: June 19 2025
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